Have you noticed that there's a lot of focus on "Reasonable" lately when people are debating issues? Both sides of any one issue claim exclusivity to the concept more and more often.
Let's take the Light Rail debate and the comments to
this Rad Sallee story regarding rail critics as an example....
First, the argument...
Commenter PubliusTX (Kevin over at bloghouston) responding to some of Sallee's accusations:
I really don't think voters in 2003 thought they were voting for rail on Richmond when the ballot said Westpark, and it strains credulity to suggest they DID think so. Rather, I think most logical people assumed "Westpark" meant the straightest line possible from Hillcroft Transit Center through Westpark to Main -- which leaves the line far from Richmond.
METRO certainly never mentioned that Westpark could mean Richmond leading up to the vote (which might have tipped what was expected to be a close vote to the NO side). So if there was half-truth involved, you can blame METRO for that, not METRO's critics.
It may well be your opinion as a reporter that the half-truth on this matter is unimportant, but obviously some people don't share that opinion and think that accountability means government should provide the public full truth.
What's amusing is that if critics in 2002/03 had argued METRO might mean Richmond when it said Westpark, I'm sure the Chronicle would have obliged immediately with a column shooting down those crazy, rumor-mongering critics (who would have been proved right several years later). That's how the Chronicle rolled at that time:
http://www.houstonpress.com/2002-12-05/news/internal-distress/
http://www.bloghouston.net/item/7
and now...
some of the responses:
(from commenter rustico)
PubliusTX, the fact that you insist on quoting sources with no credibility, and that you cite "bloghouston" as a reliable source after they were completely debunked, says it all.
(from Christof Spieler of the CTC -a transportation advocacy organization)
Credit goes to Rad for actually tracking down the facts rather than simply taking "tips" at face value like much of the local media (TV especially) does. Every story is not "he said, he said;" sometimes someone is simply wrong. And one might think that when a certain source has been repeatedly proven wrong, they'd start to be ignored.
and finally...
(from commenter EloiseM)
Plubious Comment "I think most logical people assumed "Westpark" meant the straightest line possible from Hillcroft Transit Center through Westpark to Main -- which leaves the line far from Richmond."
Fact: Logical people do not assume. They work with validity and facts such as Rad has researched and provided.
So, since everyone is so concerned about the "facts" and "logic" let's review the "facts" that Rad Sallee provided, and how they "refute what was stated by Metro critics."
1. Stray Current.
(from Rad)
Tom Bazan, a persistent Metro critic, has accused Metro of downplaying the danger of stray electrical current escaping from its light rail line and the alleged threat it poses to buildings and overpasses.
Metro revealed the problem and has provided reams of data about it. The leakage has been reduced to acceptable levels on most of the line, and work continues on the remaining trouble spots. No damage to structures has been shown.
FACTS: (not "facts")
A. Tom Bazan and other Metro critics say that stray current from the MetroRail line could pose a problem to surrounding structures.
B. Metro admitted (they didn't "reveal") that there was a problem and that it was contained over most (but not "all") of the line.
C. It is a known fact that stray current CAN damage certain structures.
D. Current condition is not a reliable indicator of future outcome.
Based on the preceding facts it could be assumed (yes EloiseM, logical people do make assumptions) that there is a very real threat from stray current. It is probably not the infrastructural nightmare scenerio that Bazan is claiming, but would that make you any more comfortable if you worked in a building along the rail line that's not located by the "most" of the rails where stray current has been contained? How about if your son or daughter lived there in a high-rise? Feel any better? I didn't think so.
2. The Chron's transit bias.
The Chron "rail" memo...
A Houston odyssey: DeLay, Lanier and light rail
Next November, voters in the city and across the Metropolitan Transit Authority service area will cast a truly important vote: They will decide whether Metro should be permitted to expand our rail rail system beyond the 7-mile South Main line.
There isn't a more critical issue on the horizon. I propose a series of editorials, editorial cartoons and Sounding Board columns leading up to the rail referendum, with this specific objective: Continuing our long standing efforts to make rail a permanent part of the transit mix here.
The timing, language and approach of the paper's editorials would, of course, be the decision of the Editorial Board. But I suggest that they could be built upon and informed by a news-feature package with an equally specific focus: Telling the story of rail here by examining the long term relationship of the two key players in the local transit wars -- Rep. Tom DeLay and former Mayor Bob Lanier. For better or worse, (mostly worse, I would argue) no two have had a more significant impact on transit decisions here. Our readers deserve to know how they've operated to fund and promote an anti-rail agenda for the past two decades. This would be vital information for voters as they come to their decision on rail. It would also be highly entertaining read.
continues...
If you haven't yet read that memo, then you should go read it for yourself. It lays out a rather long and detailed news and editorial slant that the Chronicle has followed throughout the development of rail.
Again...FACTS:
A. The memo writer suggests a series of news stories and editorials that are supportive of Metro and (specifically) MetroRail and critical of opponents CONTINUING their effort to see rail as a part of Houston's transit mix.
B. Since the debate over the 2003 referendum, the Chronicle HAS continued this editorial tone. (that cannot be denied, unless you are just dishonest in the debate)
The problem with any debate on this issue is that some people view press releases from the Chron and Metro as "evidence" or proof of case. When Chron Editor in Chief Jeff Cohen stated that "it was just an internal memo" Metro and rail supporters accepted that as Gospel. Metro critics did not buy the argument.
The problem lies when you accept one side's word on an issue because it sounds "reasonable" to you. "Reasonableness" is the bedrock of lazy decision making. You allow other's arguments to hold sway because they are in tuned with your world view. Bloggers are typically VERY susceptible to this, mainly because they tend to only associate with fellow travellers. The "reasonableness" doctrine becomes a kind of self-congratulatory pat on the back and absolves them from any futher research. The "reasonableness doctine" isn't the sole provence of one political ideology either. There are prominent blogs on both sides of the aisle (many of which I read consistently and enjoy) which are frequently guilty of this.
The hard truth is that you are more likely to accept something as being "reasonable" if it agrees with the way you see things, whether that way is correct or not. Blogs are not much more than an on-line ego stroke, when bloggers see their world-view supported by others it seems imminently "reasonable" to them. Non-bloggers are the same way.
Metro has done a very good job offering up "reasonable" arguments for many of its problems. It can do this because there are a large number of people active in the community who truly want light rail to succeed. The result of this is that real problems and shortcomings with the system are disparaged as "unreasonable" and this allows the propoganda forwarded by Metro to be viewed as "fact".
Is this a problem? Let's see:
1. The "study" for the efficacy of the Light Rail Universities Line was commissioned and conducted by Metro and her consultants. What this means is that no impartial third party review has ever really been conducted on the Light Rail System. Neither have their been serious discussions on any viable alternatives. This has severely limited the transit possibilities for Houston. Especially when you consider that light rail is
starting to lose its luster as the be all end all of transit solutions.
While other cities are having this debate, Houston is being spared any meaningful transit discourse because of the "reasonableness" of the light rail plan. What's also missing is the wisdom of designing a transit system that's punitive toward over 95% of the regions' commuters.
2. If you're loud enough, and "reasonable" enough, you too can be an expert. At least, according to the local newspaper of record. And once you get "in" you never get out, no matter how limited your analysis turns out to be.
BlogHouston points this out in respect to the CTC and Christof Spieler.
Not that I have a problem with Mr. Spieler's advocacy. I really don't. I don't agree with his view that transit design should be done with an eye toward "changing" travel patterns but I think he has a right to advocate for it. I would rather see transportation design that
enhances the travel options of the majority, not one that limits them. So my problem is not a problem of "dislike" or even "distrust". I can respect an honest disagreement over a matter of policy. Heck, I can even respect "unreasonable" support of something with which I disagree. What I don't respect are people misstating their intentions and then miscasting any criticism. (see rebuttal below that Spieler left on the bloghouston thread)
I have to say I'm amused by BlogHouston's obsession with CTC. I wish we were half as important as you think we are.
So what does Harris County's road budget have to do with light rail? I don't know. Whatever my thoughts on light rail, they don't change the facts.
I've read the TIP. The County spends its road building funds largely outside of incorporated areas even though 2/3 of Harris County taxpayers are in the City of Houston. The same goes for park and library funds. Obviously, other county expenditures, like courts, jails, flood control, the port, and hospitals, benefit all county residents. But that doesn't negate the unequal distribution of road funding.
Does METRO spend its funds mainly inside the Loop? Well, the park-and-ride system serves only people who live outside the Loop, and it cost $1 billion to build. The average park-and-ride bus route costs over $8 per rider to operate. The bus system overall costs $3.23. METRORail costs $1.38. (http://www.ntdprogram.gov/ntdprogram/pu … s/6008.pdf).
A year ago, CTC didn't have a position on a University Line alignment. We took a position in August, when we submitted comments on the DEIS . And yes, we based that position on community opinion as well as on ridership and cost data. The neighborhoods along Richmond -- especially those between Shepherd and Main, the narrowest part of the street -- overwhelmingly support rail on Richmond. They voted an anti-rail incumbent state reprsentative out of office, and gave John Culberson, who called himself their anti-rail champion, 20% of their votes. Their civic clubs endorsed rail.
What, you say, the media didn't report that? You trust the media?
As for the idea that we're "working with METRO," I should note that we definitely didn't agree with METRO staff on where the University Line should go. We supported taking it to the Eastwood Transit Center; the METRO staff recommended against that option. Then the METRO board heard from a dozen speakers (including 2 representing CTC) that the line should go to Eastwood, and the board voted for Eastwood. I'd say that's a pretty bad job of cheerleading.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled ranting. I look forward to your continued coverage of CTC.
That argument doesn't work, and it doesn't go anywhere NEAR addressing the questions about how the Chronicle chooses to identify CTC.
Kuff had a habit of using the same tactic when I mentioned his name in relation to some of Mrs. White's work on the old (unlamented) dead blog. I didn't say Kuff had any real power, I just commented that Mrs. White was obviously reading his prose. Personally, I like Kuffner, having met him a couple of times over beers at the West Alabama Ice House. I enjoy his blog as well. That we disagree on certain issues (and agree on others) is really not of consequence.
The problem with these types of arguments is that they trivialize the real issue. Kevin and the BlogHouston crew aren't saying that Mr. Spieler and Mr. Holzer are "important", they're saying that they are being mis-cast by the Chron. Something that the Chron has a tendency to do with certain sources from time to time. Bob Stein anyone?
One last item:
The 2003 Light Rail Referendum.
Going way back up to the top of this post you can see that Kevin feels that "Westpark" meant "Westpark" and if Metro meant for Richmond to be included it should have been on the ballot language.
Rad Sallee has the following to say:
This one isn't a rumor, but it's a half-truth: The voters in 2003 approved a rail line on Westpark, but Metro is violating that by building it on Richmond.
The issue affects only the part of the University line from Kirby to Cummins, since Westpark ends at Kirby and the line runs on Westpark west of Cummins.
The segment in between, at the heart of the dispute, makes up one-fifth of the line west of Main. More than half is on Westpark and the rest is on a part of Richmond where Westpark does not exist.
Again, we're dealing with what's "reasonable" and what the actual facts are.
The position of Kevin and BlogHouston is as follows: IF the original ballot language had included Richmond as an option, it may not have passed muster with the voters. Metro knew this and was very careful in regards to their drafting of said resolution.
You can take all of the semantics out of play and there's not ONE item in Kevin's statement that's been factually refuted. Since there was not polling data done in regards to this dynamic, and since there's (rightfully) been no second election regarding it, it's impossible to know who is right (or wrong) in their contentions. The people who say that one side has been "discredited" are basing that soley on the "reasonableness standard" and not on any point in fact.
It's like if I were to say "eye".
Kevin may hear it as "aiye"
Christof may hear it as "I".
I'm no longer around to clarify.
Who's been "discredited" by the "facts"?
The answer is neither, but we've allowed ourselves to let biased people control the debate for so long that we've forgotten to take an honest look at the dynamics surrounding the debate. Because of this Rad Sallee can pen a column where Metro press releases are stated as fact, several key elements of legitimate arguments are discounted or outright ignored, and members of Houston's on-line chattering class read it and say "Hey, that's "reasonable" I think that means I've been right all along."
Meanwhile there's STILL no good plan for transit from the suburbs to the inner city. Yet there are comments like this:
I applaud your hard work to get to the facts, something that is not used that often in reporting today. As an aside I think if you look deeply at the critics of rail, you will find they are not so upset as to where the lines run as much as who will now have a fast and affordable means from the inter city to the suburbs. Lock your doors!
Note: Last I checked 99% of the rail system was planned for INSIDE the loop. Hardly the "fast and affordable means" to go from the (I assume he means) inner city to the suburbs. Which is another side effect of "reasonableness syndrome", the ability to lay out false arguments against that which is deemed "unreasonable".
Whew! Sorry for the long post. If you've gotten to this point then you're head is probably spinning by now.